From Al Muhajiroun Al Takhliyah qabl Al Tahliyyah is one of the fundamental principles of Al Tawheed, that to give up the shirk and taghout is a prerequisite to belief in Allah (swt) exclusively. Another fundamental principle is Al Talazum bayna Al Zaahiri wal baatin, that there is moulding and unison between what is inner and outer, that we judge by the apparent not the hidden. ... We always judge people by the apparent in relation to kufr and imaan. ... We should not listen to these zanadiqah who want to excuse this kufr, but must follow the ulemah of Haq, those ulemah of Jihad. Ahmed ibn hanbal used to say, in the time of conflict to refer only to the ulemah of Jihad because they know better.
There is another vital principle, that âwhosoever makes the lawful unlawful and makes the unlawful lawful is Kafir.â For example, those who make the mubah haram are kaafir, and those who permit the haram, they are kaafir. This principle, is a principle from the principles of Usul ul Deen, Saâeed bin Jubair, a tabiâ is the one who declared Al Hajjaj to be kaafir, he said, âIf anybody makes the unlawful lawful, or makes the lawful unlawful is kaafir.â Fard, Haram, Mandoub, Mubah, All these are the Haq of Allah and takfeer is also the haq of Allah (swt), he is the only one who can call someone kaafir and the only one who can say what is fard, mandoub and so on. Furthermore, we MUST declare the one who Allah called kaafir as kaafir. ... Anybody who says something is halal, and Allah called it haram, he is kaafir. However if someone has a prevention of takfeer e.g. a new Muslim who embraced Islam newly and does not yet know what is halal and what is haram. ....
We must ask ourselves honestly, what is more istihlal and shirk than the laws prevalent in the Muslim and non-muslim lands today? Furthermore, how can we call those leaders who commit this istihlal anything except kafir? We must declare them kafir and beware from them, if we obey them in any of their laws we will become Mushrik. I pray to Allah to revive the Tawheed in this ummah and to protect us from worship and obeying those Tawagheet like Fahd and Musharraf, who shamelessly comment over and overturn the hukm of Allah (swt).
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Families of U.S. citizens killed or hurt in terrorist attacks in Israel filed an $875 million lawsuit against Arab Bank, accusing it of channeling money to Palestinian terrorist groups and making insurance payments to beneficiaries of suicide bombers. The lawsuit, filed Friday in federal court, claims the Jordan-based bankâs New York branch laundered Saudi aid to terrorists. The branch first converted the money into dollars and then sent it to local branches in the West Bank and Gaza Strip where it was paid out to terrorists and terrorist organizations, the suit alleges. The bank also worked with Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad to distribute insurance money to beneficiaries of suicide bombers, including their families and those wounded or captured by Israeli security forces, the lawsuit alleges. "We have a mountain of evidence that will prove that the bank not only knows about the terror financing, but is actively involved and using its New York branch to launder the money," Mark Werbner, the lead attorney for the families, said in a statement Tuesday. Officials with Arab Bank, which is based in Amman, Jordan, said in a statement issued from New York that they had not seen the complaint but that allegations they transferred funds inappropriately from Saudi Arabia to terrorists or their families are "completely false and totally irresponsible." Arab Bank has "a deserved reputation for sound, ethical operations," the statement said.
Then their lips fell off.
Plaintiffs in the lawsuit, Linde v. Arab Bank, are six U.S. families whose members have died or been hurt in attacks in Israel. Among them is Courtney Linde, the widow of John Linde Jr., a security guard from Missouri who died when a bomb tore apart a vehicle in a U.S. diplomatic convoy in the Gaza Strip last October. "John was a wonderful and gentle person, but he was also a Marine, and I know he would have wanted me to fight for him," Courtney Linde said in statement Tuesday. Arab Bank has 30 branches across the Middle East, Europe, the United States, Australia and North Africa.
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This is good news. I'm glad they do business in the US because they actually fall under the jurisdiction of our courts, rather than a mythological international court or some such nonsense. I first thought it ws some kind of "international" court filing, thank G-d that's not the case.
Better call Jackie Childs, Arab Bank.
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Coca cola gives money to em all the time....proceeds from mecca cola....
Fred, Mods, delete if you like.
This is a piece that was sent to me via email. There is no external link to it. It is a speech delivered by Haim Harari at a meeting of the International Advisory Board of a large multi-national corporation, April 2004.
Bio: HAIM HARARI, a theoretical physicist, is the Chair, Davidson Institute of Science Education, and Former President, from 1988 to 2001, of the Weizmann Institute of Science.
During his years as President of the Institute, it entered numerous new scientific fields and projects, built 47 new buildings, raised one Billion Dollars in philanthropic money, hired more than half of its current tenured Professors and became one of the highest royalty-earning academic organizations in the world.
Throughout all his adult life, he has made major contributions to three different fields: Particle Physics Research on the international scene, Science Education in the Israeli school system and Science Administration and Policy Making.
As you know, I usually provide the scientific and technological "entertainment" in our meetings, but, on this occasion, our Chairman suggested that I present my own personal view on events in the part of the world from which I come. I have never been and I will never be a Government official and I have no privileged information. My perspective is entirely based on what I see, on what I read and on the fact that my family has lived in this region for almost 200 years. You may regard my views as those of the proverbial taxi driver, which you are supposed to question, when you visit a country.
I could have shared with you some fascinating facts and some personal thoughts about the Israeli-Arab conflict. However, I will touch upon it only in passing. I prefer to devote most of my remarks to the broader picture of the region and its place in world events. I refer to the entire area between Pakistan and Morocco, which is predominantly Arab, predominantly Moslem, but includes many non-Arab and also significant non-Moslem minorities.
Why do I put aside Israel and its own immediate neighborhood? Because Israel and any problems related to it, in spite of what you might read or hear in the world media, is not the central issue, and has never been the central issue in the upheaval in the region. Yes, there is a 100 year-old Israeli-Arab conflict, but it is not where the main show is. The millions who died in the Iran-Iraq war had nothing to do with Israel. The mass murder happening right now in Sudan, where the Arab Moslem regime is massacring its black Christian citizens, has nothing to do with Israel. The frequent reports from Algeria about the murders of hundreds of civilian in one village or another by other Algerians have nothing to do with Israel. Saddam Hussein did not invade Kuwait, endangered Saudi Arabia and butchered his own people because of Israel. Egypt did not use poison gas against Yemen in the 60âs because of Israel. Assad the Father did not kill tens of thousands of his own citizens in one week in El Hamma in Syria because of Israel. The Taliban control of Afghanistan and the civil war there had nothing to do with Israel. The Libyan blowing up of the Pan-Am flight had nothing to do with Israel, and I could go on and on and on.
The root of the trouble is that this entire Moslem region is totally dysfunctional, by any standard of the word, and would have been so even if Israel would have joined the Arab league and an independent Palestine would have existed for 100 years. The 22 member countries of the Arab league, from Mauritania to the Gulf States, have a total population of 300 millions, larger than the US and almost as large as the EU before its expansion. They have a land area larger than either the US or all of Europe. These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone. Within this meager GDP, the gaps between rich and poor are beyond belief and too many of the rich made their money not by succeeding in business, but by being corrupt rulers. The social status of women is far below what it was in the Western World 150 years ago. Human rights are below any reasonable standard, in spite of the grotesque fact that Libya was elected Chair of the UN Human Rights commission. According to a report prepared by a committee of Arab intellectuals and published under the auspices of the U.N., the number of books translated by the entire Arab world is much smaller than what little Greece alone translates. The total number of scientific publications of 300 million Arabs is less than that of 6 million Israelis. Birth rates in the region are very high, increasing the poverty, the social gaps and the cultural decline. And all of this is happening in a region, which only 30 years ago, was believed to be the next wealthy part of the world, and in a Moslem area, which developed, at some point in history, one of the most advanced cultures in the world.
It is fair to say that this creates an unprecedented breeding ground for cruel dictators, terror networks, fanaticism, incitement, suicide murders and general decline. It is also a fact that almost everybody in the region blames this situation on the United States, on Israel, on Western Civilization, on Judaism and Christianity, on anyone and anything, except themselves.
Do I say all of this with the satisfaction of someone discussing the failings of his enemies? On the contrary, I firmly believe that the world would have been a much better place and my own neighborhood would have been much more pleasant and peaceful, if things were different.
I should also say a word about the millions of decent, honest, good people who are either devout Moslems or are not very religious but grew up in Moslem families. They are double victims of an outside world, which now develops Islamophobia and of their own environment, which breaks their heart by being totally dysfunctional. The problem is that the vast silent majority of these Moslems are not part of the terror and of the incitement but they also do not stand up against it. They become accomplices, by omission, and this applies to political leaders, intellectuals, business people and many others. Many of them can certainly tell right from wrong, but are afraid to express their views.
The events of the last few years have amplified four issues, which have always existed, but have never been as rampant as in the present upheaval in the region. These are the four main pillars of the current World Conflict, or perhaps we should already refer to it as "the undeclared World War III." I have no better name for the present situation. A few more years may pass before everybody acknowledges that it is a World War, but we are already well into it.
The first element is the suicide murder. Suicide murders are not a new invention but they have been made popular, if I may use this expression, only lately. Even after September 11, it seems that most of the Western World does not yet understand this weapon. It is a very potent psychological weapon. Its real direct impact is relatively minor. The total number of casualties from hundreds of suicide murders within Israel in the last three years is much smaller than those due to car accidents. September 11 was quantitatively much less lethal than many earthquakes. More people die from AIDS in one day in Africa than all the Russians who died in the hands of Chechnya-based Moslem suicide murderers since that conflict started. Saddam killed every month more people than all those who died from suicide murders since the Coalition occupation of Iraq.
So what is all the fuss about suicide killings? It creates headlines. It is spectacular. It is frightening. It is a very cruel death with bodies dismembered and horrible severe lifelong injuries to many of the wounded. It is always shown on television in great detail. One such murder, with the help of hysterical media coverage, can destroy the tourism industry of a country for quite a while, as it did in Bali and in Turkey.
But the real fear comes from the undisputed fact that no defense and no preventive measures can succeed against a determined suicide murderer. This has not yet penetrated the thinking of the Western World. The U.S. and Europe are constantly improving their defense against the last murder, not the next one. We may arrange for the best airport security in the world. But if you want to murder by suicide, you do not have to board a plane in order to explode yourself and kill many people. Who could stop a suicide murder in the midst of the crowded line waiting to be checked by the airport metal detector? How about the lines to the check-in counters in a busy travel period? Put a metal detector in front of every train station in Spain and the terrorists will get the buses. Protect the buses and they will explode in movie theaters, concert halls, supermarkets, shopping malls, schools and hospitals. Put guards in front of every concert hall and there will always be a line of people to be checked by the guards and this line will be the target, not to speak of killing the guards themselves. You can somewhat reduce your vulnerability by preventive and defensive measures and by strict border controls but not eliminate it and definitely not win the war in a defensive way. And it is a war!
What is behind the suicide murders? Money, power and cold-blooded murderous incitement, nothing else. It has nothing to do with true fanatic religious beliefs. No Moslem preacher has ever blown himself up. No son of an Arab politician or religious leader has ever blown himself up. No relative of anyone influential has done it. Wouldnât you expect some of the religious leaders to do it themselves, or to talk their sons into doing it, if this is truly a supreme act of religious fervor? Arenât they interested in the benefits of going to Heaven? Instead, they send outcast women, naive children, retarded people and young incited hotheads. They promise them the delights, mostly sexual, of the next world, and pay their families handsomely after the supreme act is performed and enough innocent people are dead.
Suicide murders also have nothing to do with poverty and despair. The poorest region in the world, by far, is Africa. It never happens there. There are numerous desperate people in the world, in different cultures, countries and continents. Desperation does not provide anyone with explosives, reconnaissance and transportation. There was certainly more despair in Saddamâs Iraq then in Paul Bremmerâs Iraq, and no one exploded himself. A suicide murder is simply a horrible, vicious weapon of cruel, inhuman, cynical, well-funded terrorists, with no regard to human life, including the life of their fellow countrymen, but with very high regard to their own affluent well-being and their hunger for power.
The only way to fight this new "popular" weapon is identical to the only way in which you fight organized crime or pirates on the high seas: the offensive way. Like in the case of organized crime, it is crucial that the forces on the offensive be united and it is crucial to reach the top of the crime pyramid. You cannot eliminate organized crime by arresting the little drug dealer in the street corner. You must go after the head of the "Family."
If part of the public supports it, others tolerate it, many are afraid of it and some try to explain it away by poverty or by a miserable childhood, organized crime will thrive and so will terrorism. The United States understands this now, after September 11. Russia is beginning to understand it. Turkey understands it well. I am very much afraid that most of Europe still does not understand it. Unfortunately, it seems that Europe will understand it only after suicide murders will arrive in Europe in a big way. In my humble opinion, this will definitely happen. The Spanish trains and the Istanbul bombings are only the beginning. The unity of the Civilized World in fighting this horror is absolutely indispensable. Until Europe wakes up, this unity will not be achieved.
The second ingredient is words, more precisely lies. Words can be lethal. They kill people. It is often said that politicians, diplomats and perhaps also lawyers and business people must sometimes lie, as part of their professional life. But the norms of politics and diplomacy are childish, in comparison with the level of incitement and total absolute deliberate fabrications, which have reached new heights in the region we are talking about. An incredible number of people in the Arab world believe that September 11 never happened, or was an American provocation or, even better, a Jewish plot.
You all remember the Iraqi Minister of Information, Mr. Mouhamad Said al-Sahaf and his press conferences when the US forces were already inside Baghdad. Disinformation at time of war is an accepted tactic. But to stand, day after day, and to make such preposterous statements, known to everybody to be lies, without even being ridiculed in your own milieu, can only happen in this region. Mr. Sahaf eventually became a popular icon as a court jester, but this did not stop some allegedly respectable newspapers from giving him equal time. It also does not prevent the Western press from giving credence, every day, even now, to similar liars. After all, if you want to be an anti-Semite, there are subtle ways of doing it. You do not have to claim that the holocaust never happened and that the Jewish temple in Jerusalem never existed. But millions of Moslems are told by their leaders that this is the case. When these same leaders make other statements, the Western media! report them as if they could be true.
It is a daily occurrence that the same people who finance, arm and dispatch suicide murderers, condemn the act in English in front of western TV cameras, talking to a world audience, which even partly believes them. It is a daily routine to hear the same leader making opposite statements in Arabic to his people and in English to the rest of the world. Incitement by Arab TV, accompanied by horror pictures of mutilated bodies, has become a powerful weapon of those who lie, distort and want to destroy everything. Little children are raised on deep hatred and on admiration of so-called martyrs, and the Western World does not notice it because its own TV sets are mostly tuned to soap operas and game shows. I recommend to you, even though most of you do not understand Arabic, to watch Al Jazeera, from time to time. You will not believe your own eyes.
But words also work in other ways, more subtle. A demonstration in Berlin, with people carrying banners supporting Saddamâs regime and featuring three-year old babies dressed as suicide murderers, is defined by the press and by political leaders as a "peace demonstration." You may support or oppose the Iraq war, but to refer to fans of Saddam, Arafat or bin Laden as peace activists is a bit too much. A woman walks into an Israeli restaurant in mid-day, eats, observes families with old people and children eating their lunch in the adjacent tables and pays the bill. She then blows herself up, killing 20 people, including many children, with heads and arms rolling around in the restaurant. She is called "martyr" by several Arab leaders and "activist" by the European press. Dignitaries condemn the act but visit her bereaved family and the money flows.
There is a new game in town: The actual murderer is called "the military wing," the one who pays him, equips him and sends him is now called "the political wing" and the head of the operation is called the "spiritual leader." There are numerous other examples of such Orwellian nomenclature, used every day not only by terror chiefs but also by Western media.. These words are much more dangerous than many people realize. They provide an emotional infrastructure for atrocities. It was Joseph Goebels who said that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. He is now being outperformed by his successors.
The third aspect is money. Huge amounts of money, which could have solved many social problems in this dysfunctional part of the world, are channeled into three concentric spheres supporting death and murder. In the inner circle are the terrorists themselves. The money funds their travel, explosives, hideouts and permanent search for soft vulnerable targets. They are surrounded by a second wider circle of direct supporters, planners, commanders, preachers, all of whom make a living, usually a very comfortable living, by serving as terror infrastructure. Finally, we find the third circle of so-called religious, educational and welfare organizations, which actually do some good, feed the hungry and provide some schooling, but brainwash a new generation with hatred, lies and ignorance. This circle operates mostly through mosques, madrasas and other religious establishments but also through inciting electronic and printed media. It is this circle that makes sure that women remain inferior, that democracy is unthinkable and that exposure to the outside world is minimal. It is also that circle that leads the way in blaming everybody outside the Moslem world, for the miseries of the region.
Figuratively speaking, this outer circle is the guardian, which makes sure that the people look and listen inwards to the inner circle of terror and incitement, rather than to the world outside. Some parts of this same outer circle actually operate as a result of fear from, or blackmail by, the inner circles. The horrifying added factor is the high birth rate. Half of the population of the Arab world is under the age of 20, the most receptive age to incitement, guaranteeing two more generations of blind hatred.
Of the three circles described above, the inner circles are primarily financed by terrorist states like Iran and Syria, until recently also by Iraq and Libya and earlier also by some of the Communist regimes. These states, as well as the Palestinian Authority, are the safe havens of the wholesale murder vendors. The outer circle is largely financed by Saudi Arabia, but also by donations from certain Moslem communities in the United States and Europe and, to a smaller extent, by donations of European Governments to various NGOâs and by certain United Nations organizations, whose goals may be noble, but they are infested and exploited by agents of the outer circle. The Saudi regime, of course, will be the next victim of major terror, when the inner circle will explode into the outer circle. The Saudis are beginning to understand it, but they fight the inner circles, while still financing the infrastructure at the outer circle.
Some of the leaders of these various circles live very comfortably on their loot. You meet their children in the best private schools in Europe, not in the training camps of suicide murderers. The Jihad "soldiers" join packaged death tours to Iraq and other hotspots, while some of their leaders ski in Switzerland. Mrs. Arafat, who lives in Paris with her daughter, receives tens of thousands of dollars per month from the allegedly bankrupt Palestinian Authority while a typical local ringleader of the Al-Aksa brigade, reporting to Arafat, receives only a cash payment of a couple of hundred dollars, for performing murders at the retail level.
The fourth element of the current world conflict is the total breaking of all laws. The civilized world believes in democracy, the rule of law, including international law, human rights, free speech and free press, among other liberties. There are naive old-fashioned habits such as respecting religious sites and symbols, not using ambulances and hospitals for acts of war, avoiding the mutilation of dead bodies and not using children as human shields or human bombs. Never in history, not even in the Nazi period, was there such total disregard of all of the above as we observe now. Every student of political science debates how you prevent an anti-democratic force from winning a democratic election and abolishing democracy. Other aspects of a civilized society must also have limitations. Can a policeman open fire on someone trying to kill him? Can a government listen to phone conversations of terrorists and drug dealers? Does free speech protects you when you shout "fire" in a crowded theater? Should there be a death penalty for deliberate multiple murders? These are the old-fashioned dilemmas. But now we have an entire new set.
Do you raid a mosque which serves as a terrorist ammunition storage? Do you return fire, if you are attacked from a hospital? Do you storm a church taken over by terrorists who took the priests hostages? Do you search every ambulance after a few suicide murderers use ambulances to reach their targets? Do you strip every woman because one pretended to be pregnant and carried a suicide bomb on her belly? Do you shoot back at someone trying to kill you, standing deliberately behind a group of children? Do you raid terrorist headquarters, hidden in a mental hospital? Do you shoot an arch-murderer who deliberately moves from one location to another, always surrounded by children? All of these happen daily in Iraq and in the Palestinian areas. What do you do? Well, you do not want to face the dilemma. But it cannot be avoided.
Suppose, for the sake of discussion, that someone would openly stay in a well-known address in Teheran, hosted by the Iranian Government and financed by it, executing one atrocity after another in Spain or in France, killing hundreds of innocent people, accepting responsibility for the crimes, promising in public TV interviews to do more of the same, while the Government of Iran issues public condemnations of his acts but continues to host him, invite him to official functions and treat him as a great dignitary. I leave it to you as homework to figure out what Spain or France would have done, in such a situation.
The problem is that the civilized world is still having illusions about the rule of law in a totally lawless environment. It is trying to play ice hockey by sending a ballerina ice-skater into the rink, or trying to knock out a heavyweight boxer with a chess player. In the same way that no country has a law against cannibals eating its prime minister, because such an act is unthinkable, international law does not address killers shooting from hospitals, mosques and ambulances, while being protected by their Government or society. International law does not know how to handle someone who sends children to throw stones, stands behind them and shoots with immunity and cannot be arrested because he is sheltered by a Government. International law does not know how to deal with a leader of murderers who is royally and comfortably hosted by a country which pretends to condemn his acts or just claims to be too weak to arrest him.. The amazing thing is that all of these crooks demand protection under international law and define all those who attack them as war criminals, with some Western media repeating the allegations. The good news is that all of this is temporary, because the evolution of international law has always adapted itself to reality. The punishment for suicide murder should be death or arrest before the murder, not during and not after. After every world war, the rules of international law have changed and the same will happen after the present one. But during the twilight zone, a lot of harm can be done.
The picture I described here is not pretty. What can we do about it? In the short run, only fight and win. In the long run - only educate the next generation and open it to the world. The inner circles can and must be destroyed by force. The outer circle cannot be eliminated by force. Here we need financial starvation of the organizing elite, more power to women, more education, counter propaganda, boycott whenever feasible and access to Western media, Internet and the international scene. Above all, we need a total absolute unity and determination of the civilized world against all three circles of evil.
Allow me, for a moment, to depart from my alleged role as a taxi driver and return to science. When you have a malignant tumor, you may remove the tumor itself surgically. You may also starve it by preventing new blood from reaching it from other parts of the body, thereby preventing new "supplies" from expanding the tumor. If you want to be sure, it is best to do both.
But before you fight and win, by force or otherwise, you have to realize that you are in a war, and this may take Europe a few more years. In order to win, it is necessary to first eliminate the terrorist regimes, so that no Government in the world will serve as a safe haven for these people. I do not want to comment here on whether the American-led attack on Iraq was justified from the point of view of weapons of mass destruction or any other pre-war argument, but I can look at the post-war map of Western Asia. Now that Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya are out, two and a half terrorist states remain: Iran, Syria and Lebanon, the latter being a Syrian colony. Perhaps Sudan should be added to the list. As a result of the conquest of Afghanistan and Iraq, both Iran and Syria are now totally surrounded by territories unfriendly to them. Iran is encircled by Afghanistan, by the Gulf States, Iraq and the Moslem republics of the former Soviet Union. Syria is surrounded by Turkey, Iraq, Jordan and Israel. This is a significant strategic change and it applies strong pressure on the terrorist countries. It is not surprising that Iran is so active in trying to incite a Shiite uprising in Iraq. I do not know if the American plan was actually to encircle both Iran and Syria, but that is the resulting situation.
In my humble opinion, the number one danger to the world today is Iran and its regime. It definitely has ambitions to rule vast areas and to expand in all directions. It has an ideology, which claims supremacy over Western culture. It is ruthless. It has proven that it can execute elaborate terrorist acts without leaving too many traces, using Iranian Embassies. It is clearly trying to develop Nuclear Weapons. Its so-called moderates and conservatives play their own virtuoso version of the "good-cop versus bad-cop" game. Iran sponsors Syrian terrorism, it is certainly behind much of the action in Iraq, it is fully funding the Hezbollah and, through it, the Palestinian Hamas and Islamic Jihad, it performed acts of terror at least in Europe and in South America and probably also in Uzbekhistan and Saudi Arabia and it truly leads a multi-national terror consortium, which includes, as minor players, Syria, Lebanon and certain Shiite elements in Iraq. Nevertheless, most European countries still trade with Iran, try to appease it and refuse to read the clear signals.
In order to win the war it is also necessary to dry the financial resources of the terror conglomerate. It is pointless to try to understand the subtle differences between the Sunni terror of Al Qaida and Hamas and the Shiite terror of Hezbollah, Sadr and other Iranian inspired enterprises. When it serves their business needs, all of them collaborate beautifully.
It is crucial to stop Saudi and other financial support of the outer circle, which is the fertile breeding ground of terror. It is important to monitor all donations from the Western World to Islamic organizations, to monitor the finances of international relief organizations and to react with forceful economic measures to any small sign of financial aid to any of the three circles of terrorism. It is also important to act decisively against the campaign of lies and fabrications and to monitor those Western media who collaborate with it out of naivety, financial interests or ignorance.
Above all, never surrender to terror. No one will ever know whether the recent elections in Spain would have yielded a different result, if not for the train bombings a few days earlier. But it really does not matter. What matters is that the terrorists believe that they caused the result and that they won by driving Spain out of Iraq. The Spanish story will surely end up being extremely costly to other European countries, including France, who is now expelling inciting preachers and forbidding veils and including others who sent troops to Iraq. In the long run, Spain itself will pay even more.
Is the solution a democratic Arab world? If by democracy we mean free elections but also free press, free speech, a functioning judicial system, civil liberties, equality to women, free international travel, exposure to international media and ideas, laws against racial incitement and against defamation, and avoidance of lawless behavior regarding hospitals, places of worship and children, then yes, democracy is the solution. If democracy is just free elections, it is likely that the most fanatic regime will be elected, the one whose incitement and fabrications are the most inflammatory. We have seen it already in Algeria and, to a certain extent, in Turkey. It will happen again, if the ground is not prepared very carefully. On the other hand, a certain transition democracy, as in Jordan, may be a better temporary solution, paving the way for the real thing, perhaps in the same way that an immediate sudden democracy did not work in Russia and would not have! worked in China.
I have no doubt that the civilized world will prevail. But the longer it takes us to understand the new landscape of this war, the more costly and painful the victory will be. Europe, more than any other region, is the key. Its understandable recoil from wars, following the horrors of World War II, may cost thousands of additional innocent lives, before the tide will turn.
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Youch, that was LOOOOONG - next time generate a free website on geocities (or similar) to post it, then edit for length & post a synopsis here and a link to the geocities site.
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Fits in nicely with my own view. Relentless targeting of the meanies and denial of such targeting. A bitch slap to those who try to hide behind international law. It should become very uncool to be in the jihadie camp. Nasty but thats what it will take to win this war.
As in, what does a victory in this war look like, the status quo? Airport security, train security, security, security and more security. No the victory should look like peace in the valley.
There should be no borders in the WoT. If a gov turns a blind eye to the meanies, we should turn a blind eye to their soverignity.
Lets face it, islam is the vehicle for recruiting the fodder. So those that do the recruiting, the spiritual leaders and the money guys (be it banks that specialize in numbered accounts) should be attacked.
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These are the four main pillars of the current World Conflict, or perhaps we should already refer to it as "the undeclared World War III." I have no better name for the present situation. A few more years may pass before everybody acknowledges that it is a World War, but we are already well into it.
It's nice to see someone openly admit this.
Do you raid a mosque which serves as a terrorist ammunition storage? Do you return fire, if you are attacked from a hospital? Do you storm a church taken over by terrorists who took the priests hostages? Do you search every ambulance after a few suicide murderers use ambulances to reach their targets? Do you strip every woman because one pretended to be pregnant and carried a suicide bomb on her belly? Do you shoot back at someone trying to kill you, standing deliberately behind a group of children? Do you raid terrorist headquarters, hidden in a mental hospital? Do you shoot an arch-murderer who deliberately moves from one location to another, always surrounded by children? All of these happen daily in Iraq and in the Palestinian areas. What do you do? Well, you do not want to face the dilemma. But it cannot be avoided.
There are the tougher questions we must all face. The answers are rather disturbing but overcoming terrorism will not be child's play.
#7If a gov turns a blind eye to the meanies, we should turn a blind eye to their soverignity.
I've been advocating this for a while, Lucky. We should start with Sudan as a small demonstration of our displeasure. Decap their entire government and let them start over. I do not see how it could get any worse and future generations of Sudanese leaders would never be able to dismiss the chance that they would be blown straight to hell if they indulged in a little more genocide. Works for me.
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I agree that this article is an excellent tutorial. (Or maybe I'm biased, as this is the same conclusion I arrived at two years ago when I asked myself, "what is the solution, to the prese nt Jihad?"
I don't like the term War On Terror, as it essentially makes it appear to be something unique, rather than a continuation of the Muslim Jihad, started by Mohammed and the same strategy is being followed.
Jihad ALWAYS starts with a campaign of terror and then moves into a more symmetric phase.
I compare it to bullfighting. First madden and weaken the bull, then move in for the kill. The "Ah Ha" moment for me was after reading Paul Fregosi's "Jihad in the West: Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries"
Same tactics , same strategy, same reliance on terror. And least we forget, the they toppled two empires within a generation, so from a military point of view it's not a bad strategy.
The link I posted to the same article on 7/1 has now expired on Secular Islam but can be accessed through this link
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Thanks tipper, it was about two years ago for me also. though I knew a war with islam was in the cards long before. WoT, agreed. Perhaps the "War to free muslims" would be better. The one thing that has bothered me about this war, from Afgan to Iraq, is not to let this war turn into the "Sands of Iwo jima", a nation building program that bleeds us weak. I think the WH has this on their minds. The handoff and military lite ops in Afganistan seem to respect this.
But the gloves need to come off regarding who the major enemy is. If it needs to be nation states such as Iran, so be it. But I'd rather go after the fundies in all of old islam.
In excerpts from an exclusive interview with Aljazeera, a former Guantanamo detainee reveals details of torture, abuse, and religious persecution. Wissam Abd al-Rahman Ahmad said he was captured in Iran, transferred to a Kandahar detention facility in Afghanistan, and finally imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay.
That's interesting. How'd we capture him in Iran?
Claiming he was beaten and routinely insulted with profanities while in Afghanistan, Ahmad said that US soldiers tried to 'break' him using psychological warfare. "They stripped me naked with a bag over my head. One of the soldiers turned me around, removed the bag and I saw a female soldier looking at me," he said.
"She pointed at my pee-pee and laughed!"
"They knew that it is an insult to our religion to appear thus before women," he said.
"It's because our doinkers are so tiny!"
But Ahmad claimed that although he had been beaten and abused, he was asked only one question - his relationship to al-Qaida and Usama bin Ladin. "I told the interrogator, who spoke with an Egyptian accent, that I had no involvement with al-Qaida or anyone, but the man proceeded to insult me and threaten that he would perform profanities on my mother," Ahmad told Aljazeera. The former Guantanamo detainee - now in Jordan - had told his interrogators that Pakistani intelligence knew of his whereabouts the whole time and could corroborate his story. However, nothing compared to the agony of seeing the Quran defiled, Ahmad told Aljazeera.
"The agony! I just... I just... I couldn't take it! I'm scarred for life! Wanna see?"
"Put your pee-pee away, dammit!"
"I could bear all the obscene abuse and all the beatings but I was agonised to see one US soldier stomp on the Holy Quran, while another soldier in Kandahar threw it into the toilet," he said. While in detention at Bagram air base, Ahmad recounted how a female soldier entered his cell to search him. She had brought a dog with her and she proceeded to give the dog the Quran to sniff through. The full interview is to be broadcast in a special segment on the Aljazeera Satellite Channel later in the week.
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Oh Ethel Wahina, my pills! Lol! I love sacred object abuse. My personal favorite pasttime is defiling stuff. Sigh.
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However, nothing compared to the agony of seeing the Quran defiled, Ahmad told Aljazeera...but I was agonised to see one US soldier stomp on the Holy Quran, while another soldier in Kandahar threw it into the toilet,"
That caused a boo-boo in my terrorist heart.
"I told the interrogator, who spoke with an Egyptian accent
Foreign aid to Egypt FINALLY paying off, perhaps, after all the years of zilch???
Ahmad recounted how a female soldier entered his cell to search him. She had brought a dog with her and she proceeded to give the dog the Quran to sniff through
Pet-oowie! I thought this was supposed to be a search for dog food. Instead my nostrils and my canine eyes are shocked by nutty Quran commands like "kill the infidels and their furry friends"...yuk, that deserves a big growl, heck, maybe even a giant bite in the smallish male privates I see before me...
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My bet is that Ahmad had a civil union with Osama. "Performance profanities on my mother," well it beats the goat I guess (I suspect not by much however).
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...threw it in the toilet -- oh, that's just the bobbing for apples contest.
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What Losers! After so many centuries of cultural inbreeding, they can't even lie well. I was hoping for something along the lines of "1001 Guantanamo Nights", like the Arabian classic but with jumper cables and women's panties.
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I wanna know what the dog would have done if given the prisoner to "sniff through."
A decent bite might have been too much to ask. Recent news regarding canine preferences of Muslims vs. Zoroastrians shows that Muslims might be too bad even for the dogs.
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Muslims are not "filthy trash" nor are they some of the stupidest people on earth. The actions of those claiming to be Muslims, such as beheading innocent civilians or crashing airliners into tall buildings, blaspheme Islam far more than Halfass Pete can imagine on a good day.
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At least their mothers are in a position to say 'no' unlike Muslim women.
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So what, Guess who? you'll get banned again, too.
BWAHAHAHAHA.
And I'm 99% certain that this story about the Koran being 'defiled' was made up to rile the Moooooslims back home and to make the sympathetic Western journos weep over the cruel American 'crusaders' behavior.
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They (muslims) will consider just about anything as defiling their religion. I witnessed an infidel and a muslim woman almost come to blows at the gym. The reason: the muslim woman pulled out her rug to pray and the shadow of the infidels was defiling the moment.
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Whatever happened to that guy who snuck into the girls dorm and took naughty pictures of himself and the gals' possesions?
Maybe in return for a pardon we can slip him into Karbala with a digital camera.
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Frankly, I believe his story. Certainly he was stripped naked, a bag was placed over his head, and then he was shown that a woman was present.
There's nothing unbelievable about his claim that his interrogator spoke with an Egyptian accent and insulted his mother.
Maybe he was beaten somewhat, as he himself defines that term (someone else might say he was just treated roughly).
I believe a female soldier might have brought a dog into his cell and that the dog might have sniffed his Koran. The part about some guard throwing his Koran into a toilet is the hardest to believe, but it might have happened. Maybe this prisoner threw a huge tantrum about the dog and the Koran, so one of the guards reacted that way to show who was the boss.
It seems from the story that all this happened in Kandahar, not in Gitmo.
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Yup, I'd rather have my bible in the loo than my head rolling around the floor.
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Stupid people worry about a defiling book (ie GUESS WHO)
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Hmm, funny--nothing about how beforehand he said (and of course he would have said) it was good so many Americans died in 9/11. These boys never ask for this-they are always only good boys!
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Personally, I keep a copy of the Quran in my bathroom. That way, if I run out of toilet paper at an inopportune moment, I can simply tear pages from it to put to good use.
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Sweetiepea: If you bothered to *read* what is in the pages of the Quran, you would soon find that what is printed there "is NOT very nice", including exhortations to kill infidels, take women as spoils of war, etc, not to mention Mo-ham-head's assorted forays into rape, murder, and pedophilia. In short, Rushdie was right--the book is filled from cover to cover with "Satanic Verses".
Antisemite: Run along, the adults are having a discussion here.
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I still look at Voices of Palestine it's very informative have a look.
Depends on what you mean by "informative". For the majority of posters here, it's proof that the Palestinians aren't worth a plugged nickel. For you, it's proof that others hate Jews as much as you do.
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Besides the fact that this clown is a lying ahole. None of what he detail can be proven. But that doesn't matter to Al Jackarammait's intended to get the diptards riled up and teh BBC putting it on the fron to it's news.
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I still look at Voices of Palestine it's very informative have a look.
After all I visit sites who's views are wrong(like here)so maybe you should visit sites which are right
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